Thursday, March 26, 2015

Cousins: How to Count Them: Mark and Me

Here are the relations that Mark sent me and which appear earlier: Lazarus is our common ancestor.

Mark's Side Lazarus Jim's Side
William Brothers John
George 1st Cousins John
Martin 2nd Cousins Ira
Benjamin 3rd Cousins NT
Martin V 4th Cousins Lewis N Manley Sr.
Ross Holms 5th Cousins Lewis N Manley Jr.
Stephen Homer 6th Cousins Jim
Leslie Earl 6th Cousin Once Removed To Me
Mark 6th Cousin 2x Removed To Me

Here is the chart that my Sister sent me showing the relationships. This helps. But I'm not sure I've nailed it. My conjecture: Mark and I are 6th cousins, twice removed.

Wednesday, March 25, 2015

Cousin Mark Manley

Family DNA actually found Mark for us, from the DNA and surname. His genetic distance is given at "4". I am still not sure what this means. It can be given in generations or time - I think.

But we have an additional "check" because Mark gave me his Manley family tree back to George Manly of Talaton. Here it is:

Donald Mark Manley (me) b. 1954 in LA
Leslie Earl "John" Manley (my father) b. 1906 in LA, d. 1975 in LA
Stephen Homer "Steve" Manly (my grandfather) b. 1885 in LA, d. 1958 in LA
Ross Holmes Manly (my great grandfather) b. 1855 in MO, d. 1927 in LA
Martin V. Manley (my 2nd great grandfather) b. 1834 in OH, d. after 1880 (in AR?)
Benjamin Smith Manley (my 3rd great grandfather) b. 1798 in MA, d. 1871 in OH
Martin Manley (my 4th great grandfather) b. 1770 in CT, d. 1844 in OH
George Manley (my 5th great grandfather) b. 1735 in CT, d. 1815 in MA
William Manley (my 6th great grandfather) b. 1703 in MA, d. 1788 in CT
Lazarus Manley (my 7th great grandfather) b. 1668 in England, d. 1747 in CT
George Manley (my 8th great grandfather) b. about 1624 in England

Note where Mark's tree branches. He comes from the line of Lazarus' older brother William (born in 1703 in MA). It's possible to show this link in most ancestry sites. I'm going to link it on WikiTree, but I should be able to link it on Family DNA as well and note it on Cathy Sockol's site.

Question. Does this make Mark my 1st cousin 6 times removed? Or my 6th cousin? :) Seriously!
I think we went through this when we visited the Carharts with Ann. 

Note that Mark's family moved to Los Angeles from Missouri some time after 1855. I wonder, though, whether Ross Holmes Manly knew any of our Manley's in Missouri. Granddad was born in the 1870's and went to Grinnell College in Iowa. NT Manley was living in Carthage, I think.  

Lazarus in the New World

That's our Lazarus, of course, son of George Manly of Talaton. It turns out that he was quite an enterprising young man after he had come to the US. He was a millwright, which meant that he designed and built mills. This involved scouting out choice spots to build them, buying the land, building the mill, getting it going, then selling it, and investing the proceeds in a new project. According to Colonial Ancestors, he did this no fewer than ten times!

Colonial Ancestors is a wonderfully-researched book on four colonial families, one of which is ours. It is available online as as a digital download here. Look on page 119 (in the book, not the PDF) and you see the beginning of the account of Lazarus. Here is a screen-save from page 120 showing the "salt box" house that Lazarus lived in in 1706.
The house is located in Southold, Long Island, New York. In particular, "It is situated at the west end of Southold on the corner
of Ackerly Pond Road and Lower Road," says the text on page 121. The legend below the images reads, "Courtesy The Suffolk Times and Joy Bear, the artist."

A Google Maps search of this location comes up with a dead ringer of this artistic rendering.
The foliage makes it hard to set up exactly the same vantage point as the image in the book, but the author attests, "Their charming little house, a saltbox, now with weathered gray shingles and white trim remains in use today as a
private home."

(And, when Googled, for sale. Anyone interested?)

That Link to the Khazahks

I was struck by this news item about the influx of Steppe culture into the mix of 5,000 - 8,000 years ago. My haplotype is L2. In the older notation: R1b1a2a1a1b3c1. On YSearch one can check who else has this same haplotype. Many families from Devonshire and Southern England shared this haplotype, but also many from present day Kazakhstan! I'm thinking that I'm seeing the actual consequences of what this news article reports.

What this means is that my family-member Kazakhstanis and I have a remote common ancestor. It would be fun to find out more out him.

Tuesday, March 24, 2015

DNA Test and Updates

It's been some time since I've posted. Genealogical insight seems to come in fits and starts. This past several weeks has seen quite a lot of activity which I want to summarize and record so that it does float away.

I've found three excellent (distant) cousins who are also excellent resources: James Edward Maule, Doug Manley, and Dr. Mark Manley.

James Edward Maule traces his ancestry back to Georgius Maule and beyond - to the Lairds of Panmure (Scotland). He is a lawyer in Pennsylvania  and has done a lot of genetic testing and is quite knowledgeable about the tests and their implications. His kit is #14125.

I learned about him in Cathy Manly Sockol's  "Manly/Manley Family Tree DNA Project." This project supports Family Tree DNA with the "Manley/Manly/Munley" (and more) surname projects. There are many of them. I think "Maule" is a varient of "Manley" along with "Mawley," "Mawle" and several others.

We've been emailing back and forth in recent weeks, especially in regard to the DNA connection that exists between the Maule family and the Manley family. That connection is discussed here. In particular, notice Cathy Sockol's reply to my question of May 11, 2011. She affirms a genetic  connection between the Maule's and Manley's. She puts it at 325 years to the most recent common ancestor (Georgius, or his son Thomas). It's more, but we are talking about a "ballpark" figure.

Jim Maule on the other hand suggested that while the genetic distance was plausible, the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) was much more remote, perhaps as remote as 2,500 years ago. I inclined initially to Cathy's optimistic interpretation, but I've not been able to replicate it. I also note that the intersection on the charts does not fall on a colored cell, indicating a close (or closer) DNA connection. Also, there are individuals from Kazakhstan who share the same (or very similar) haplotype to mine and to Jim Maule's "almost-similar" haplotype. This suggests a more distant remote common ancestor.


Friday, May 20, 2011

Another "Jim Manley", Haplotypes, and Roman Heritage 1


Early in my exploration of web resources for genealogy, I found that there were an intimidating number of "Jim Manley's". In fact, I already knew of one Jim Manley who has been a kind of Doppleganger of mine since I taught in Hawaii. He taught in a private school in Manoa. When I moved to Claremont, there he was again. He was the charming Jim Manley who played the guitar. Today he lives only a few blocks away and share the same GP physician. His father, now deceased, was Felix Manley, who was a congregationalist minister. This must go back to Ira Manley, but that is another story.

Among the Jim Manley's I found on the internet was one who posed this question: "I've just had my DNA tested and it's coming up as a J2 Haplogroup, which probably means my ancient relation was most likely a Roman Legionaire garrisoned to the UK. Any other J2 Manley's out there?" It was a great question because all Manleys tended come through England, in particular, Southern England, near Dorset, or even Manley village. But the "J2" indicated a different migration patterns from the R1b's. The J2's took a more southern route, one that took them through Italy. That is easy to see on the graphic above. You can see the R1b's moving into Europe. They would continue into England. Below that black line, you see the turqoise line moving into southern France through very southern Italy, just above Sicily. The J2's are associated with the Levant and include a spectrum of ethnic, including Jewish, groups.

I immediately wrote to this Jim Manley and asked him about the J2 ancestry. He replied, "I was one of the first J2 Manleys with my results online. When I first found out my results, they triggered a difficult discussion with my mom." Indeed! But the results of that conversation were reassuring. So where did the J2 haplotype come from? He continues, "Somewhere along the way I discovered that Chester rivaled Londonium for the largest settlement in the UK. Looking closer at the geo-distribution for J2, I saw that it extended westward into southern Italy. So, putting the two pieces together, I think it quite reasonable to conject that my ancestors were legionnaires, who intermarried with the local Manleys. I cannot think of any other explanation which makes sense." And I agree. One of those J2's was in the Roman army sent off to Britannia. This would of course be in modern times about 2,000 years ago. The liason with an indigenous woman would have explained both the Manley descendancy from England and the anomalous J2 haplotype.

He concluded his note to me, "
'We've made contact with other J2 Manleys and we conject but have not proven that our common ancestor dates back into the 1600s here in Virginia."